boss, about 3 months ago i made a birdhouse...to date, no birds have nested in it (f'rs wont even go in it..) but i'm pretty convinced that eventially some birds will go in it and nest....thats pretty much how i'm looking at kry's permit...."eventially"....... not weighted in this thing like you are so that limits my anxiety, but this is one mother of stock story......i have no love loss for cramer ( i think he's kind of a paid huckster) but he does know the street and kry burned him bad.....personally i've done well with kry (so far) but no one is safe.....i'm going to post a "laymans valuation model on the discussion board that pretty much explains my trading philosophy here, or maybe i'll go in the garage and drink some beers, listen to the game, and make another birdhouse.............