Unfortunately Red I'm small retail along for the ride and chatter is all I have. Ive said in the past I'm tired of the excuses I just want to see management get it done. That was when management was saying Ven was'nt the hold up it was paperwork between lawyers. Management is now saying Ven is the holdup and despite how many times they ask from Ven "What do you want from us?" It seems they never get the answers...its a deafening silence. I hope we (along with management) aren't notified via some tv announcement we are done like Owens-Illinois. I hope this silence doesn't just go on and on as it has for years. Unfortunately Im not sure management has a clue as to whether they have done enough to make Hugo the nut job happy (and I think they have given an excellent effort trying). My chips are in so I hope it goes our way. Hopefully if it doesn't we go to arbitration (assuming we can afford it) and win that way.