I like your analogy Pat . It works for me , and I believe we do have competition out there if Tech won't pay the price ! I mean I've bean lucky enough to see all the speculation and an awful lot of facts put forth by Chappy , Vette , Webgogs , and the list goes on . Copper is going to be in high demand in a very short time . Teck and other big boys know this so , I'm gonna say that they will have to be far on the price . My guess is $6-8.00 , Sept 11/12.