I understand....its like Qec may have been 2 year ago.....like this project has yet to unfold....its a child...where-as QEC and Forest/Talisman are more mature and about to grow into an adult mature project. Any thoughts on Cex's Stony Creek project....that seems to be a 2nd ary major rework project with substantial reserves...maybe they can leverage it for $$ into the other......time will tell