Hi MF; Sorry I can't help you out, I bought a house a month ago as an investment but it required a lot of renovation and between my regular job and this project I have had very little time, just follow things when I can, Kerry's presentation must have been well recieved judging by the SP, although the TSX, Venture and oil had a very good day, who knows any more I certainly don't, seems like the US bailout gets another vote tomorrow which will probably have a positive result and some stability will return to the markets, all the best to you Zibo.