Sorry to hear about your wife Pic and I too had emergency back surgery this summer so I know how distracting that can be. And yes most of us seem to be not wasting anymore time with these 2 investments and even if one remains a hopeful "back from the dead" long-term holder, it's obviously Dead Money for now so I agree we might as well move on and do something more productive. And besides the endless unsubstantiated banter by some posters that amounts to nothing more than pissing in the wind is at best annoying and who needs that at this point! Best to you! Khaki