I could not agree with you more. I missed out on Timminco "TIM" and APV is a good substitute. By the way TIM is also down a lot of late.

The whole market is down anyway and there are fire sales everywhere, including the Canadian banks. They are the licence to print money and yet even they were also victimized in this panic. If you want sure things, buying the big five now is as close to it as possible. The big five always make money, the only question is how much?

Anyway I expect this stock will bounce back in December if not sooner. And don't waste your time visiting the other website. It has become a battleground of bashers and pumpers. Of course if you just want some comic relief for the day by seeing supposedly grown men behave like idiots...............