I related to a lot of facts when i aswered the post on integrity and i did it out of memory linking together a lot of information that goes back prior to the second " gulf war " , now talking about integrity requires to act accordingly , i think your post reflected that while you related to your personal experience in Abu Grahib after the incidents that made it famous ,so i took the time trying to support at least some of the claims i made with some research and it surely was painstaking work .

I did it for some of the things i said 'cause that's all the time i could afford , i assume you are informed about the Collin Powell affair so i did'nt waste time with that as for the geopolitical information it would require quite a lot of time if you are not acquainted with this type of information , but being army retire i assume you might be , if not many serious papers ralate that type of information and research might be extensive yet most interesting when one has the time ( but it's almost always written following some ideological lines ).

Furthermore you'll be saved a lot of reading since i lost some of my materials concerning prisoners abducted by the CIA better luck next time . I think there is still quite a bit of reference here if you realy want to inquire some more .

... " I was summoned back to a meeting which was held in the FCO on 7 or 8 March 2003. Present were Linda Duffield, Director Wider Europe; Matthew Kydd, Head Permanent Under Secretary’s Department; Sir Michael Wood, Legal Adviser.

At the start of the meeting Linda Duffield told me that Sir Michael Jay, Permanent Under Secretary, wished me to know that my telegrams were unwise and that these sensitive questions were best not discussed on paper. ..."

Starting in the summer of 2002 all through spring 2003 the British and US air force stationed around Irak started penetrating Irak's borders from all horizons they were actualy testing and mapping Irak warning capacities and air defense and at the same time picturing Irak as being agressive towards "allied forces " as the ambassador describe it was part of a propaganda campaign against Irak before invasion .

News - Middle East - Coalition jets bomb Iraqi targets . Last updated: 19 Apr 2002

US and British planes patrol the region to enforce the restrictions. The US and British air forces have disputed this figure and insist that they never target civilian areas.

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It was true also through the IAEA inspections wich the US and UK used to mount fears of weapons of mass destruction in Irak the whole strategy was to build up a connsensus among public opinion prior to the envasion .

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IAEA Director General Addresses Iraq, North Korea Inspections, CNN Interview
(27 April 2003) Charm & Disarm: IAEA Director General Interview, New York Times Magazine
(2 March 2003) Crisis Manager, Newsweek Interview with Mohamed ElBaradei
(27 February 2003) Director General on CNN: More Needed from Iraq
(28 January 2003) Press Briefing, Head of Iraq National Monitoring Directorate, CNN
(23 January 2003) Director General "Guardedly Optimistic" on Iraq, ABC News
(20 January 2003) ElBaradei, Blix Ready for Iraq Talks, CNN
(18 January 2003) Press Briefing by Dr. ElBaradei and Dr. Blix at UN Security Council
(9 January 2003) IAEA Chief CNN Interview
(7 January 2003) Director General on the "Nuclear Challenge", PBS in USA (6 January 2003) IAEA: Bigger Profile, Bigger Demands, New York Times
(6 January 2003) IAEA Moving into 'Investigative" Phase
(24 December 2002) Profile of IAEA Director General on BBC
(21 December 2002) CNN Interview with IAEA Director General ElBaradei
(13 December 2002) Inspectors Back in Iraq
(25 November) Arms Inspectors Set to Begin
(25 November) Profile of IAEA Director General
(21 November) Iraq Pledges Cooperation
(20 November) IAEA, UN Chiefs Conclude Talks
(20 November) Inspectors Demand Proof
(20 November) Tense Start in Iraq
(19 November) Experts Prepare Logistics
(19 November) IAEA Chief Urges Cooperation
(19 November) Inspectors Ready to Go
(13 November) Iraq Responds, Sends UN Letter
(13 November) Iraq Letter to UN
(13 November) IAEA Director General Urges Iraq Cooperation
(12 November 2002) IAEA Iraq Team Head, Jacques Baute, Interview
(12 November 2002) IAEA Chief on Iraq Inspections
(11 November 2002) Tactful Iraq Inspections Foreseen
(11 November 2002) Security Council Press Release
(8 November) IAEA, UN Inspectors Set to Return Under New Resolution
(8 November 2002) Final Resolution
(8 November 2002) Revised Text of Iraq Resolution
(6 November 2002) Iraq would consider new UN resolution
(4 November 2002) UN Council may reach Iraq deal soon says ElBaradei
(1 November 2002) Bush MeetsTop U.N. Inspector on Iraq
(31 October 2002) UN Agency Wants to Pick Inspectors
(31 October 2002) Bush Meets U.N. Weapons Inspector
(30 October 2002) Inspectors Want Clear Iraq Mandate
(28 October 2002) Text of UN Draft Iraq Resolution
(25 October 2002) UN Studies Draft Iraq Resolution
(23 October 2002) UN's Blix says Iraq war can be avoided
(23 October 2002) UN Draft demands called impractical
(23 October 2002) Key is Disarming Iraq
(21 October 2002) US Ready on Iraq Resolution
(20 October 2002) Security Council Wraps Up Debate
(18 October 2002) US Compromises on Iraq Resolution
(17 October 2002) Iraq Debate Center Stage at UN
(16 October 2002) UN Inspectors Await Word
(16 October 2002) US and France: Different Views on Iraq
(15 October 2002) Next Round of UN Inspections Build on Earlier Efforts
(15 October 2002) Iraq Holds Elections as UN Debate Continues
(15 October 2002) UN Pressed on Iraq Action
(14 October 2002) Iraq Sends Letters to Weapons Inspectors
(12 October 2002) US Congress Passes Iraq Resolution
(11 October 2002) Iraq Opens Former Sites to Foreign Journalists
(9 October 2002) UN Debate on Iraq Stalled
(9 October 2002) CNN Interview with IAEA Director General ElBaradei (9 October 2002, Download the video clip
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At the same in the UK a story broke out about the intelligence service ending in the suspicious death of an operative about to disclose information going against the Blair government affirmation about Irak having weapons of mass destruction a short while before Collin Powell went to the UN to make his famous allocution about intelligence reports confirming the presence of weapons of mass destruction .

News - Politics - Profile: Dr David Kelly . Last updated: 27 Jan 2004

Two days after facing MPs he was found dead, after apparently taking his own life. He was promoted to a new grading - the highest in his service - in February 2003, taking his salary to £61,000.

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Profile: Dr David Kelly

Dr Kelly was a weapons inspector in Iraq

Weapons expert Dr David Kelly was thrust into the media spotlight after being identified in newspapers as the man the government believed was the source for a BBC report on Iraq.

he scientist was used to talking to journalists behind the scenes - but he became a key figure in the row between the government and the BBC over claims that Downing Street "sexed up" a dossier on Iraq's weapons capability.

After being publicly named the 59-year-old told MPs he did not believe he was the story's main source - after admitting to his managers he had met the Today programme's Andrew Gilligan.

Two days after facing MPs he was found dead, after apparently taking his own life. The BBC confirmed on 20 July 2002 that the scientist was their principal contact.

His wife told the inquiry into his death that her husband had been utterly dismayed by the media frenzy around him.

Janice Kelly said he became: "distracted... dejected... desperate...I just thought he had a broken heart. He had shrunk into himself".

Iraq weapons inspections

At the time the story broke, the Oxford-educated microbiologist had been scientific adviser to the proliferation and arms control secretariat for more than three years.

He was an expert in arms control, working as a weapons inspector in Iraq between 1991 and 1998, following the first Gulf War.

I just thought he had a broken heart Janice Kelly's evidence to the inquiry

Dr Kelly became senior adviser on biological warfare for the UN in Iraq in 1994, holding the post until 1999.

He was sufficiently well respected to have been nominated for a Nobel peace prize by the man who led the Iraq weapons inspections for much of the 1990s, Rolf Ekeus.

During a lecture Dr Kelly once said: "When Iraq invaded Kuwait in August 1990, little did I realise that Saddam Hussein would dictate the next 10 years of my life."

He also led all the visits and inspections of Russian biological warfare facilities from 1991 to 1994 under the 1992 Trilateral Agreement between the US, UK and Russia.

Garth Whitty who worked with him as a UN weapons inspector in Iraq, told the BBC the scientist was "internationally regarded" as an expert in biological weapons defence who normally coped well under pressure.

"He was a quiet man who got on with his job. He did it with the highest professional standards," he said.

Rising through ranks

David and Janice Kelly had three daughters, Sian, 32, and twins Rachel and Ellen, 30. Neighbours described them as a "lovely family".

In my opinion, David Kelly and his team should have won the Nobel (peace) prize for disarmament Rolf Ekeus

His diaries suggest he was a keen football and rugby fan and his other interests include his involvement with the Baha'i faith, acting as treasurer to its local spiritual assembly.

Dr Kelly came from a background in agricultural science and Mrs Kelly described him as a workaholic who relaxed by tending his vegetable patch.

He had been chief science officer at Britain's Natural Environment Research Council Institute of Virology.

He rose through the ranks at the Ministry of Defence's chemical research centre at Porton Down in Wiltshire, which he joined in 1984, to become head of microbiology.

David Kelly left his home on Thursday afternoon

He spent the majority of his career as a consultant to the MoD and other government departments and agencies, advising them on his area of expertise - arms control.

Part of his job was to brief journalists on defence issues. And he also had contact with MI6 director Sir Richard Dearlove and others within the Secret Intelligence Service.

The inquiry has heard how Dr Kelly was unhappy with his pay and felt the civil service grading he had been assigned did not reflect his seniority.

He was promoted to a new grading - the highest in his service - in February 2003, taking his salary to £61,000. He was not, however, told his pay had been properly assessed before his death.

The last week of Dr Kelly's life saw him at the centre of press attention, caught in the middle of the row between the government and the BBC over the dossiers on Iraq's weapons.

The expert told the select committee he could not get into his Oxfordshire home after his identity became public knowledge because of the press outside.

News - Politics - Hoon regrets Iraq 'misunderstanding' . Last updated: 11 Sep 2003

Defence Secretary Geoff Hoon responds to criticism from a committee which says he failed to reveal fully concerns about the Iraq dossier.. Last Updated: Thursday, 11 September, 2003, 16:33 GMT 17:33

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Collin Powell ambitions to the presidency died there at that moment though it took months to confirm .

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The story about people being abducted by the US intelligence and transported to some countries in eastern europe in order to be " interrogated under special conditions " that are now being described as torture started being reported around 2005 when some western european countries complain to the US about those " special air cargo " landing for fuel on their airstrip on their way to eastern europe special prison .

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The memo that allowed the "special treatment " of prisoner was issued by state department sometimes at the beginning of war and it's the same memo that

did not require personal in charge of prisoners to submit to the Haigue ( i meant the the GENEVA Convention )convention when interrogating prisoners

, it's that infamous memo that allowed the events that happened in Abhu Grahib prison and led to "special technique " for punishing prisoner in base camps in Irak under wich in several accounts prisoners were badly beaten sometimes to the point of causing death as was reported by complaints by some member of the forces witness to such abuses filing official complaints and themselves being later subject to all sorts of threats .

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New York: While there is no telling where the scandal will bottom out, it said US soldiers and CIA operatives could be accused of war crimes and of charges which could include homicide involving deaths during interrogations. The 'New Yorker' magazine had earlier reported that National Security Adviser Condoleeza Rice and other top US officials had signed off a secret plan allowing soldiers to interrogate Iraqi prisoners by using sexual humiliation and physical coercion. She had later dismissed the charges saying, "there's really nothing to the story." By January 25, 2002, according to a memo obtained by 'Newsweek,' it was clear that President Bush had already decided that the Geneva Conventions did not apply at all, either to the Taliban or Al Qaeda. In the memo written to Bush, White House counsel Alberto Gonzales laid out the argument that the Geneva Conventions were obsolete in the new paradigm. "As you have said, the war against terrorism is a new kind of war," Gonzales wrote to Bush and concluded in stark terms: "In my judgment, this new paradigm renders obsolete Geneva's strict limitations on questioning of enemy prisoners and renders quaint some of its provisions." In yet another startling revelation, a leading news magazine has said US President George W Bush, along with Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Attorney General John Ashcroft, had signed off a memo on a secret system of detention and interrogation that opened the door for abuses of prisoners at the Abu Ghraib prison. View images: Iraq prison scandal

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President Bush signs military commissions into law

President Bush signed the

Military Commissions Act of 2006

into law today, giving formal approval to a system of military commissions and interrogation techniques that had been challenged in federal court by civil-liberties groups.

"It's a rare occasion when a president can sign a bill that he knows will save American lives," Bush said during a White House ceremony. "I have that privilege today."

Outside the White House, some protested that the new law violates civil liberties.

Some highlights of the new law from the Associated Press:

• The military can detain any foreigner it believes is an "unlawful enemy combatant."
• Statements obtained by torture would not be admissible as evidence.
• Statements obtained using interrogation methods that violate a 2005 ban on "cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment" would be admissible as evidence if they were taken before the ban took effect and a judge found the statements were reliable and would serve the "interests of justice."
• The commission could determine the punishment, including death.
• The president would not be allowed to authorize any interrogation technique that amounted to a war crime.

Update at 12:05 p.m. ET:

Hit "read more" to see reports from USA TODAY's David Jackson and Kathy Kiely about a small protest outside the White House and Sen. John McCain's decision not to attend the signing ceremony.

On McCain, Kiely reports:

One key architect of the bill was absent from the ceremony. It was former prisoner of war John McCain, who blocked the Bush tribunal proposal until the White House promised to abide by Geneva Conventions prohibiting torture.

McCain's press secretary, Eileen McMenamin, said he had previous commitments to campaign for GOP candidates. In Wisconsin, McCain was to appear with congressional hopeful John Gard. In South Dakota, he is to travel with Sen. John Thune. Thune is not up for re-election until 2010. McMenamin said the two senators will be attending the 100th annual meeting of the Sioux Falls Chamber of Commerce.

As for the protest, Jackson writes:

About 20 people refused to leave the northwest gate of the White House to protest President Bush's signing of a bill to authorizing military trials and CIA interrogations of high value terrorism suspects.

"I am not a terrorist! YOU are a terrorist!" yelled one man who knelt at the gate, clad in an orange jumpsuit with a black hood on his head.

After repeated warnings to disperse, police officers began hauling protesters into a van, one by one. The northwest gate is used by most visitors to the White House.

Inside the White House, Bush said the bill would help prevent future terrorist attacks.

"It is a rare occasion when a president can sign a bill he knows will save American lives," Bush said while standing with Republican members of Congress who negotiated the bill.

Outside in the rain, protesters said the CIA interrogations and military trials violate defendants' rights. They placed a coffin outside the White House gate, with a sign on it reading, "here lies the corpse of habeas corpus."

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U.S. indicts CIA contractor for killing Afghan prisoner

By David McGlinchey dmcglinchey@govexec.com June 18, 2004

A grand jury in North Carolina indicted a CIA contractor Thursday on charges of beating an Afghan prisoner to death last summer.

The Justice Department's handling of the case, meanwhile, has given an indication that contractors who are accused of prisoner abuse in Iraq also will be tried in the United States.

David Passaro, a 38-year-old North Carolina resident, became the first U.S. contractor charged with crimes committed in Afghanistan or Iraq. The Justice Department has accused Passaro of killing a local man, Abdul Wali, while stationed at a military base in northeastern Afghanistan. Wali, who military personnel suspected was involved in rocket attacks, had voluntarily surrendered at the front gate of the military base on June 18, 2003. During a press conference Thursday, U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft said that during the course of a two-day interrogation, "Passaro beat Wali repeatedly using his hands and feet and a large flashlight." Wali died June 21, 2003.

Ashcroft declined to explain why Passaro was being charged with assault instead of a more serious crime.

The case provides a first glimpse into the federal government's handling of legal issues surrounding private contractors who are suspected of commiting crimes while supporting U.S. military operations overseas. Of the thousands of private contractors who have worked in Iraq since the United States invaded 16 months ago, none has been charged with a crime.

The situation was brought under a particularly harsh light during the military investigation of the Abu Ghraib prison scandal, which unfolded earlier this year and laid bare the apparent immunity of civilian contractors. The Pentagon's Abu Ghraib investigation identified several soldiers and military contractors as key players in the torture and humiliation of Iraqi prisoners. But while the gears of military justice are processing uniformed personnel involved in the scandal, the contractors identified by the investigation have not been charged.

Ashcroft suggested, however, that private contractors who have been implicated in Iraqi prisoner abuse will be tried in U.S. civilian courts.

"Regarding other prisoner abuse allegations, I can report that the Justice Department has received one referral from the Department of Defense, and additional referrals from the CIA," he said. "I have assigned all of our other ongoing prisoner abuse cases to a prosecution team at the United States Attorney's Office in the Eastern District of Virginia, and any new referrals will also be assigned to that office."

That revelation could clear up confusion surrounding the legal status of private contractors supporting the military in war zones. In interviews this week, Defense Department officials and outside observers said that contractor crimes in lawless countries most likely would be handled under the Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act. It is relevant, however, for contractors who are working directly for the Defense Department. Subcontractors or CIA contractors, for example, would most likely fall outside the scope of MEJA. In those cases, the burden falls to the country in which the crime was committed, according to Peter Singer, a National Security Fellow at the Brookings Institution in Washington. That becomes problematic ( personal comment .: he probably meant convinient !!), however, when the local judicial system is lacking.

"The laws are gray. There's a vacuum in the law," Singer said, during a discussion of U.S. regulations that apply to private contractors in Iraq.

Ashcroft said, however, that Passaro was being charged in the United States under a provision of the controversial Patriot Act.

"The Patriot Act expanded U.S. law enforcement jurisdiction over crimes committed by or against U.S. nationals on land or facilities designated for use by the U.S. government," he said. According to Ashcroft, the CIA launched the initial investigation and the Defense Department referred the case to the Justice Department last November.

A further complication for prosecuting contractors in Iraq, however, could be a partial immunity order issued by Paul Bremer, the chief of the Coalition Provisional Authority. That order was intended to cover contractors as they performed their duties, and it could be raised by defendants who claim they were performing interrogations, according to Singer.

"Under CPA order number 17, there is limited immunity extended in matters - for contractors, extended in matters clearly related to their contract performance," said Dan Senor, a spokesman for the CPA, during a press conference this week. "This does not protect them in matters related to criminal activities, rape, murder, anything of that sort."

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Detainees in U.S. military custody at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and elsewhere in the world will now be entitled to all the protections granted by the Geneva conventions, White House Press Secretary Tony Snow told reporters this morning.

The Associated Press puts this perspective on the news: "The policy, described in a memo by Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England, appears to reverse the administration's earlier insistence that the detainees are not prisoners of war and thus subject to the Geneva protections." The decision, AP adds, also "reflects the recent 5-3 Supreme Court decision blocking military tribunals set up by President Bush."

At The New York Times, the move's being called a "sweeping change of policy." The Washington Times says the administration has "quietly reverted to observing terror suspect prisoners' rights as defined by the Geneva Conventions."

Good decision? Bad decision? Your comments welcomed.

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Abu Ghraib head finds vindication in newly released memos

She said she was a scapegoat. She said she was just following orders. She said she was demoted unfairly.

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Lawsuit on alleged Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse can move ahead

A lawsuit alleging that civilian American interrogators subjected Iraqis to torture and severe mistreatment at the notorious Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad can move forward, a federal judge ruled Thursday.

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Call on the Justice Department to Appoint a Special Prosecutor

The Justice Department -- in response to an ACLU lawsuit -- just released four key memos about the Bush administration's illegal torture program. Read the memos here.

These memos supplied the framework for an illegal interrogation program that permitted the most barbaric forms of abuse, violated domestic and international law, alienated America's allies and yielded information that was both unreliable and unusable in court.

Exposing the truth is only the first step. The content of these memos makes it more clear than ever that we must fully investigate the immoral and illegal actions that were carried out against detainees in the so-called "war on terror."

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In geopolitical terms to describe the whole propaganda leading to the invasion of Irak we can't ignore how the US have built military bases all around Irak since then and even following the first invasion in 1990 wich coincided with the fall of the Soviet Union then leaving room to the US to penetrate the southern part of former Soviet Union from Georgi to ouzbekhistan through Azerbaidjan , turkmenistanand and kazakhstan .

News - Europe - US military advisers arrive in Georgia . Last updated: 27 Feb 2002

The helicopters - which arrived last autumn - are not equipped for carrying out air attacks, and will be used only to transport men and equipment, officials say.

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News - Middle East - Preliminary skirmishes underway in Iraq . Last updated: 1 Oct 2002

But its contribution could be light amphibious or air mobile forces that could be mobilised and moved rapidly if required. Thus Iraq's integrated air defence system is slowly being worn down.

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Considering all the other US allies in the region Turky , Jordan and Koweit it left only two borders open to Irak one of them Iran being their " 2nd " worst ennemy . to the south east the persian gulf belonging to the US navy supported by allies among wich Canada sent the " Iroquois navy ship " to act as logistic support so much for our neutrality in Iraq nothwitstanding what then Prime Minister said about Canada not being involved .

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Now if we want to talk about a big scam , i say Irak invasion was the biggest one since ... u guess . And when we talk about dangerous lies and the media going for the ride that ranks along some of the worst , because now we are in a situation where hatred grows between religious and ideological lines at the scale of the planet , it will take very very long for those wrongs to be remedied and it could get much worst before it gets better .

I say that greed and stupidity from some so called leaders led ignorance towards that abyss . For sure freedom ( the political or ideological idea of freedom ) can't survive without some very hard questions being asked to those who leads and that goes forever in all circumstances ...

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Right here in Canda people tend to forget or ignore the simple fact that since after 9-11 early in the spring of 2002 if i recall the Canadian government passed a law allowing the Canadian intelligence ( SCRS ) to intercept all " electronic communications " traveling through our borders , now those of u who have an interest with the way the internet works know u will probably cross the border in most communications on the internet by being relayed through various routers at least here in north america even in a simple communication in the same city . Now considering the wide spread of internet we might as well say most people in our society are now subject to electronic eavings by some government agency , and i will add one of the less trustworthy . Just read the post about the ambassador you'll see what i mean .

So much so for our ideological and political beliefs in freedom .

If you are realy interested about this law i think it might still be available on the SCRS web site ( it's the frenc acronym for the Canadian intelligence service ) or on the minister of communication website .

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Right here at agoracom we discussed at lenght the manipulations going on in the market whether it was with the COMEX or some Central banks dumping gold at the appropriate ( even today ) or some of the companies being featured here or other larger businesses through affiliation with other businesses or countries the list goes on and on well guess what it's a very human like affair and we should suspicious at all times but even more when it involves wars or taken advantage of whole population . What money we might lose falling prey to manipulation will uasualy amount to little unless on a grand sheme like this financial crisis maybe .

Good day

Tectol